Gore RC 2 October 2012 – R 1 (request for a ruling)
ID: JCA13250
Code:
Thoroughbred
Meet Title:
Gore RC - 2 October 2012
Meet Chair:
GHall
Meet Committee Member 1:
NSkelt
Race Date:
2012/10/02
Race Number:
R1
Decision:
We rule that Mr Moseley should ride HOWLONGDOWEWAIT and request that Mr Davidson inform the trainer of DAY CENTRE of our decision as soon as possible, so that a suitable rider can be obtained for that horse.
Facts:
Mr Moseley requested a ruling as to whether or not he had an engagement to ride HOWLONGDOWEWAIT in race 1.
Submissions for Decision:
Mr Moseley stated that on the day of the Riccarton races he had spoken to the trainer of HOWLONGDOWEWAIT, Mr Winsloe, and he believed as a consequence he had an engagement to ride that horse. He further explained that they had originally talked about his riding the horse at the Wingatui meeting but Mr Winsloe indicated the horse was not going to start there but at Gore in the 2000 metre race. Mr Moseley said he replied, “Good as gold” and took it that he would be riding the horse. He was therefore surprised when he discovered he was the declared rider for DAY CENTRE and Mr Johnson was down to ride HOWLONGDOWEWAIT. Mr Moseley said he had never spoken to Mr Hamilton, the trainer of DAY CENTRE, and Mr Davidson, stipendiary steward, explained that Mr Moseley had simply been declared by Mr Hamilton when he saw that Mr Moseley did not have a ride in the race.
Mr Winsloe said he had spoken to Mr Moseley on the day of the Riccarton races but Mr Moseley had said that Mr Thompson intended to start horses at the Gore meeting. He took from this statement that Mr Moseley might be riding for Mr Thompson, and when he never heard from Mr Moseley, he engaged Mr Johnson. When questioned by this Committee as to whether he had rung Mr Moseley, he said he had not and that it was not his practice to ring jockeys. He said he believed that had Mr Moseley wanted to ride the horse he should have rung him again before declarations closed, not an hour or so later.
We observed from the race book that Mr Moseley had ridden HOWLONGDOWEWAIT on the last 3 occasions and, Mr Moseley has said, also a couple of starts before that. We questioned Mr Winsloe as to whether he had any issues with the way Mr Moseley had ridden the horse and he said he did not, but he and the owners thought the horse might benefit from a left-handed jockey.
Reasons for Decision:
We are satisfied that Mr Moseley had a clear and legitimate understanding after his conversation with Mr Winsloe that he was engaged to ride HOWLONGDOWEWAIT.
Both Mr Moseley and Mr Johnson are experienced jockeys and we do not believe that the brief notification that the racing public had that Mr Johnson was riding the horse and which was removed by the bureau immediately it became clear the engagement for HOWLONGDOWEWAIT was disputed will disadvantage the public. Nor do we believe the connections of HOWLONGDOWEWAIT will be disadvantaged by Mr Moseley riding the horse as he is familiar with the horse, having recently been its regular rider.
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hearing_title: Gore RC 2 October 2012 - R 1 (request for a ruling)
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facts:
Mr Moseley requested a ruling as to whether or not he had an engagement to ride HOWLONGDOWEWAIT in race 1.
appealdecision:
isappeal:
submissionsfordecision:
Mr Moseley stated that on the day of the Riccarton races he had spoken to the trainer of HOWLONGDOWEWAIT, Mr Winsloe, and he believed as a consequence he had an engagement to ride that horse. He further explained that they had originally talked about his riding the horse at the Wingatui meeting but Mr Winsloe indicated the horse was not going to start there but at Gore in the 2000 metre race. Mr Moseley said he replied, “Good as gold” and took it that he would be riding the horse. He was therefore surprised when he discovered he was the declared rider for DAY CENTRE and Mr Johnson was down to ride HOWLONGDOWEWAIT. Mr Moseley said he had never spoken to Mr Hamilton, the trainer of DAY CENTRE, and Mr Davidson, stipendiary steward, explained that Mr Moseley had simply been declared by Mr Hamilton when he saw that Mr Moseley did not have a ride in the race.
Mr Winsloe said he had spoken to Mr Moseley on the day of the Riccarton races but Mr Moseley had said that Mr Thompson intended to start horses at the Gore meeting. He took from this statement that Mr Moseley might be riding for Mr Thompson, and when he never heard from Mr Moseley, he engaged Mr Johnson. When questioned by this Committee as to whether he had rung Mr Moseley, he said he had not and that it was not his practice to ring jockeys. He said he believed that had Mr Moseley wanted to ride the horse he should have rung him again before declarations closed, not an hour or so later.
We observed from the race book that Mr Moseley had ridden HOWLONGDOWEWAIT on the last 3 occasions and, Mr Moseley has said, also a couple of starts before that. We questioned Mr Winsloe as to whether he had any issues with the way Mr Moseley had ridden the horse and he said he did not, but he and the owners thought the horse might benefit from a left-handed jockey.
reasonsfordecision:
We are satisfied that Mr Moseley had a clear and legitimate understanding after his conversation with Mr Winsloe that he was engaged to ride HOWLONGDOWEWAIT.
Both Mr Moseley and Mr Johnson are experienced jockeys and we do not believe that the brief notification that the racing public had that Mr Johnson was riding the horse and which was removed by the bureau immediately it became clear the engagement for HOWLONGDOWEWAIT was disputed will disadvantage the public. Nor do we believe the connections of HOWLONGDOWEWAIT will be disadvantaged by Mr Moseley riding the horse as he is familiar with the horse, having recently been its regular rider.
Decision:
We rule that Mr Moseley should ride HOWLONGDOWEWAIT and request that Mr Davidson inform the trainer of DAY CENTRE of our decision as soon as possible, so that a suitable rider can be obtained for that horse.
sumissionsforpenalty:
reasonsforpenalty:
penalty:
hearing_type: Request Ruling
Rules: 330(2)
Informant:
JockeysandTrainer:
Otherperson:
PersonPresent: Mr T Moseley, Licensed jockey, Mr E Winsloe Licensed Trainer
Respondent:
StipendSteward: Mr M Davidson
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